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as some republican senators includes lindsey graham called for. senator graham challenged them saying the decision they made premature. let's listen. >> here's my concern. as a lawyer for over 30 years, civilian and military, i strongly support the concept that no criminal defendant should ever be required to incriminate themselves while they're in custody of the government. every nation at war should have the ability to defend themselves by gathering intelligence. these are not mutually exclusive concepts. i believe our nation is at war. the enemy is radical islam defined as the taliban, al qaeda, and affiliated groups. the question i have regarding this case, is there any association between these two individuals and the groups i just named, to allow enemy combatant status to be conferred upon the suspect in boston? >> let's drill down on the legal status of the boston bombing suspect. kendall coffey. the great jonathan turley, here in washington. thank you for this. can they decide later if a piece of evidence shows up a week from now, that sho
as some republican senators includes lindsey graham called for. senator graham challenged them saying the decision they made premature. let's listen. >> here's my concern. as a lawyer for over 30 years, civilian and military, i strongly support the concept that no criminal defendant should ever be required to incriminate themselves while they're in custody of the government. every nation at war should have the ability to defend themselves by gathering intelligence. these are not mutually...
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immigration reform lindsey graham. >> north korea indiana. and boston airthon, lindsey graham? jesus. >> i have a feeling they just book him week after week after week, and the bookers were too lazy to say, we have breaking news -- >> bill: they probably up on the wall they have -- every sunday they have lindsey graham booked already. they don't care. that's the first question why? why? okay. and the second question is what does the freaking know about it right? i mean wtf lindsey graham let the justice department and the fbi and the authorities do their job, stay the you know what out of it. stay out of it. i mean just stfu lindsey graham. he and john mccain of course his butt boy -- or which one is which i don't know. and pete king same thing they want to turn this into a political football. they want to turn this act of terror and heroic work by our law enforcement officers into political football, and it pisses me off, and it should piss everyone else off. they should just shut up. 866-55-press, don't you think? >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ that viewers
immigration reform lindsey graham. >> north korea indiana. and boston airthon, lindsey graham? jesus. >> i have a feeling they just book him week after week after week, and the bookers were too lazy to say, we have breaking news -- >> bill: they probably up on the wall they have -- every sunday they have lindsey graham booked already. they don't care. that's the first question why? why? okay. and the second question is what does the freaking know about it right? i mean wtf...
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senator lindsey graham of south carolina has said tsarnaev should be questioned by u.s. intelligence agencies. and then put on trial before a military commission, perhaps even at guantanamo bay in cuba. the obama administration has insisted that criminal trials can be just as effective, and tsarnaev is an american citizen, which could complicate putting him in a military court. the actual filing of criminal charges. that could come quite quickly. even within the next day or so. and the -- he would then appear before a federal magistrate. if he is not well enough to leave the hospital, that hearing could actually be done in his hospital room. alex? >> okay, pete, so what point does he get an attorney? >> well, he gets a lawyer during this questioning process for the next 48 hours. under this rule. he has no right to the miranda right. once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk a
senator lindsey graham of south carolina has said tsarnaev should be questioned by u.s. intelligence agencies. and then put on trial before a military commission, perhaps even at guantanamo bay in cuba. the obama administration has insisted that criminal trials can be just as effective, and tsarnaev is an american citizen, which could complicate putting him in a military court. the actual filing of criminal charges. that could come quite quickly. even within the next day or so. and the -- he...
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when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work." what do thou sayeth, kelly. >> they have a long history of prosecuting terrorism cases before and after 9/11. i think it's important when we are talking about a united states citizen where the conduct is principally here in the united states. i think the administration got it just right here. >> he a i see you nodding. >> i would second bet in the conversation that's going on right now, exacerbating fears in this country. terrorists aren't going after territory. they are going after the creation of fear, panic, and disruption of the system. we allow them to rip apart our constitution and they win. >> catherine crier and kelly cu ar rrie, thank you for
when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work." what do thou sayeth, kelly....
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i know he's got his view of senator lindsey graham's comments. i welcome judge napolitano, senior judicial analyst for fox news. judge, do we designate this guy enemy combatant or treat him through the criminal justice system? >> well, first good evening, governor. it's a pleasure to be on your show. thanks for having me. senator graham is well known to many of us at fox. he's also a friend of mine. no one can question his motivation. but we'll start with a couple of basics. the first is that the constitution is the supreme law of the land. how do we know that? it says it in the constitution. the second is everybody who works for the government -- you did this when you were the governor of a, i di arkansas, in i was a superior court of new jersey -- takes an oath. the proper procedure here is to prosecute the surviving of the two brothers in the federal district court, probably not in boston. i don't know how he can get a fair trial in boston, but in some federal district court somewhere that has jurisdiction over these crimes. remember, tim mcve
i know he's got his view of senator lindsey graham's comments. i welcome judge napolitano, senior judicial analyst for fox news. judge, do we designate this guy enemy combatant or treat him through the criminal justice system? >> well, first good evening, governor. it's a pleasure to be on your show. thanks for having me. senator graham is well known to many of us at fox. he's also a friend of mine. no one can question his motivation. but we'll start with a couple of basics. the first is...
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graham, john mccain, kelly ayotte, congressman peter king, all of whom have said this suspect based on his actions clearly is a good candidate for enemy combatant status. we do not want this suspect to remain silent. talk about that in terms of what prosecutors are doing right now. is that the path down which prosecutors and any investigators are going right now? >> well, it's unclear whether or not they're going down that path to identify and designate him as an enemy combatant but they should at least go down the path to determine whether or not that is the designation they should make for this particular person. then they should do it based on our national security, national interest to determine whether or not identifying him as an enemy combatant will actually enhance our national security and national interest. >> what about the charges? what do you expect them to be against dzhokhar. >> well, if he's not designated as an enemy combat eant he wille charged federally. the first decision has to be if he's designated enemy combatant. if they decline, they'd be looking at charges
graham, john mccain, kelly ayotte, congressman peter king, all of whom have said this suspect based on his actions clearly is a good candidate for enemy combatant status. we do not want this suspect to remain silent. talk about that in terms of what prosecutors are doing right now. is that the path down which prosecutors and any investigators are going right now? >> well, it's unclear whether or not they're going down that path to identify and designate him as an enemy combatant but they...
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graham, kelly ayotte, congressman peter king a short time ago, issued a statement this morning asking for the suspect to be tried as an enemy combatant. they said, in part, "we do not want the suspect to remain silent." senator chambliss, vice chair of the subcommittee on violence said "i'm disappointed that it appears this administration is once again relying on miranda's public safety exception to gather intelligence which only allows, at best, a 48-hour waiting period that may expire since the suspect has been critically wounded." will there be a public outcry, ed o'keefe, about all that's given, the suspect is a natural citizen? >> with those five senators -- lawmakers, certainly the outcry could potentially be beginning. it's no surprise that that quintet, if you will, is calling for the administration to handle him as what they describe as an enemy combat talent. the obama administration doesn't use that term anymore it allows for an indefinite detention of someone under national security concerns. that's what they are hoping for. we will see what the justice department decides,
graham, kelly ayotte, congressman peter king a short time ago, issued a statement this morning asking for the suspect to be tried as an enemy combatant. they said, in part, "we do not want the suspect to remain silent." senator chambliss, vice chair of the subcommittee on violence said "i'm disappointed that it appears this administration is once again relying on miranda's public safety exception to gather intelligence which only allows, at best, a 48-hour waiting period that may...
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. >> you have lindsey graham, paul king that say we should look at dzhokhar was an enemy come want tan. what would that mean. >> it can't apply here. an enemy combatant mean an enemy that's at war. so far we have no indication of what was mote vath these two. so enemy combatant, we don't know mow that there's a foundation for it. but more importantly the justice department has had a lot of success with civilian trials. if they do within aggressive discussion, they can ask every question that a military investigator can ask with respect to -- that's what they'll be able to accomplish. >> let's look at the possibility of where this case may be going. what's your taught about because they want to know if anybody else is involved here, they need to know if there is any ongoing threat, would they consider making a deal? would they go to him and offer him his laf as opposed to the death penalty in exchange for information? well you've identify exactly what the issue is and that's why it may actually make sense to get this guy to a lawyer sooner than later. he is up deed facing a very serious
. >> you have lindsey graham, paul king that say we should look at dzhokhar was an enemy come want tan. what would that mean. >> it can't apply here. an enemy combatant mean an enemy that's at war. so far we have no indication of what was mote vath these two. so enemy combatant, we don't know mow that there's a foundation for it. but more importantly the justice department has had a lot of success with civilian trials. if they do within aggressive discussion, they can ask every...
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graham, kelly ayotte, and new york's representative, peter king. let's give you a accepts where this is right now. so law enforcement enacted basically an effort not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. that means not telling him he has the right to remain silent under what they call the public safety exception, allows them to get as much information as they can within the immediate hours after his arrest. in case there is information about other plots or perhaps other accomplices but it's li likely that he hasn't even been questioned yet because of his state, his serious condition, that this may not matter. he may have been read his miranda rights by a judge as early as tomorrow. the republican lawmakers, of course, say the public safety exception doesn't go far enough, that he should be treated as an enemy combatant. we do not want this suspect to have the right to remain silent. here is a little bit more about what they said. i'll put this graphic up on the screen. this is from a statement released by those republican lawmakers who say we have c
graham, kelly ayotte, and new york's representative, peter king. let's give you a accepts where this is right now. so law enforcement enacted basically an effort not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. that means not telling him he has the right to remain silent under what they call the public safety exception, allows them to get as much information as they can within the immediate hours after his arrest. in case there is information about other plots or perhaps other accomplices but it's li...
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graham said quote the last thing we may want to do is read boston suspect miranda rights time to quote remain silent and then a follow up by saying if captured i hope administration will least consider holding the boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes some state representatives took the sentiment even further calling actually torture the suspect new york state senator gregg paul wrote sos come bag number two in custody who wouldn't want to use torture on this punk to save more lives. i wouldn't and no one else that actually respects the rule of law and the constitution because guess what torture is illegal and it's never brought proper intel now it may not seem like that big of a deal to read a terrorist suspect his rights but ponder what glenn greenwald has said he said quote when you cheer for the erosion of your heart and rights you're cheering for the erosion of your own which is what we're already seen a mindset that has already allowed these rights to be taken for granted and compromised two years ago obama bypass congress to roll back miranda righ
graham said quote the last thing we may want to do is read boston suspect miranda rights time to quote remain silent and then a follow up by saying if captured i hope administration will least consider holding the boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes some state representatives took the sentiment even further calling actually torture the suspect new york state senator gregg paul wrote sos come bag number two in custody who wouldn't want to use torture on this...
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graham said quote the last thing we may want to do is read boston suspect miranda rights telling him to quote remain silent and then followed up by saying if captured i hope administration will least consider holding the boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes some state representatives took the sentiment even further calling actually torture the suspect new york state senator gregg paul wrote sos scumbag number two in custody who wouldn't want to use torture on this punk to save more lives. i wouldn't and no one else that actually respects the rule of law and the constitution because guess what torture is illegal and it's never brought proper intel now it may not seem like that big of a deal to read a terrorist suspect his rights but ponder what glenn greenwald has said he said quote when you cheer for the erosion of joe hart rights you're cheering for the erosion of your own which is what we're already seen a mindset that has already allowed these rights to be taken for granted and compromised two years ago obama bypass congress to roll back miranda ri
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i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the parents of two the brothers had a brother, their uncle already here in the united states and they therefore appear like they might have come here, they got extra points for already having relatives here in the united states. this is called chained migration. if you got a family member here, whether it is an uncle, an aunt, father, mother, grandfather, cousin, whatever, you get a little bit extra oomph in the line in order to get here and the new law being proposed by the "gang of eight" would dial back immigration based on family considerations and dial up immigration
i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the...
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. >> lindsey graham is doing a whole bunch of talk radio this morning. it's clear to me, we know why they probably booked all these interviews. because they're worried that this is where the immigration issue could percolate where all of the sudden the connection to boston happens. >> i think it also shows that compared to the last time around in '06 and '07 the republicans who were for this type of legislation are a lot more active in trying to engage with the conservative critics. >> dan, that does seem to be a huge difference before, they would lament maybe to you in interviews. but they wouldn't actively try to fix this. >> yeah. you know, they're pushing forward in a way they weren't before. they're much more confident about the reasons why they're doing this. and they're -- they feel much less defensive about it when they're being criticized by their own people. >> at the press conference amongst the most eloquent were marco rubio. the marco rubio. >> you were there. richard. this was the most fascinating -- >> it's a definition of kumbaya. >> it g
. >> lindsey graham is doing a whole bunch of talk radio this morning. it's clear to me, we know why they probably booked all these interviews. because they're worried that this is where the immigration issue could percolate where all of the sudden the connection to boston happens. >> i think it also shows that compared to the last time around in '06 and '07 the republicans who were for this type of legislation are a lot more active in trying to engage with the conservative critics....
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four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out largely on partisan lines. >> dave, you've done some reporting on this, and it sounds as if, again, there's a d distinction between labeled enemy combatant in terms of being question ed, but at this point it does not seem as it he can be tried as an enemy combatant? >> no. the starting question, enemy combatant for whom? the resolution in 2001 said that, oun enemy combatants are members of organizations that carried out the 9/11 attacks. we're not at war with chechnya, any organization connected to these terrorists so far, we're simply not at war with them. we should be in contact with russians wha
four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out...
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host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan granted a mass amnesty. there were about 3 million people at the time who re legal aftethat process. what's happened over the last few decades is that people just kept coming back here illegally. that's one of the things people are very concerned about stopping this time. chief among those people is jeff sessions from alabama. he has two major concerns probably will hear about today in the judiciary committee. one is that the influx of workers into the legal system will create too much competition on employment opportunities and wages for american workers. he's also concerned a
host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan...
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. >> let me give a shut out to marco rubio and john mccain and lindsey graham, who aren't backing down, and free advice to the republican party. the republican party lost the hispanic vote huge time, and if there isn't some effort to reach out for a lot of the people who live in this country, you can kiss off any chance, bill, for any foreseeable future. >> yeah, bill. let me just say, on bill's defense, he's actually pro immigration reform. >> i'm more skeptical of it now than i was six or seven months ago, and again for this reason, with all due respect. let's have serious public policy arguments about this. let's talk about how this man, reported by the fbi in 2011, went to russia for six months, came back in the country with a russian or kyrgyz passport. let's have border security first. >> the bill is based on border security. >> and would it help with this problem? >> we should ask these questions. we should maybe have more detailed questions asked for people who come from certain countries, yes. >> we agree on that. >> thank you, panel. see you next week. make sure to follow us
. >> let me give a shut out to marco rubio and john mccain and lindsey graham, who aren't backing down, and free advice to the republican party. the republican party lost the hispanic vote huge time, and if there isn't some effort to reach out for a lot of the people who live in this country, you can kiss off any chance, bill, for any foreseeable future. >> yeah, bill. let me just say, on bill's defense, he's actually pro immigration reform. >> i'm more skeptical of it now...
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some of the criticism is being let by lindsey graham of south carolina and john mccain. here was senator graham just a short time ago this morning. >> this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of, and that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. that evidence is used to protect us as a nation. >> but a suspect like this one in a case like this can't be tried in a military tribunal because of what's called the national defense authorization act of 2012, which basically says if you're an american citizen, to be tried as an enemy combatant, there has to at least be some tangible links that connect you to enemy forces. among them, al qaeda. the next question, though, is if he should be treated as a standard criminal defendant, or if some of the rights should be different given the accusations of terror against this man, dzhokhar tsarnaev. and that relates to in mirand
some of the criticism is being let by lindsey graham of south carolina and john mccain. here was senator graham just a short time ago this morning. >> this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of, and that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. that evidence is used to protect us...
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here's senator lindsey graham trying to, as usual, tying it to benghazi to make the point the administration is letting its guard down. he's always talking about benghazi. now he's tying it to boston with benghazi. this has become almost an m.o. with him. let's watch. >> something's not right here. i don't want to be judgmental, but i want to make sure that we're safe. >> yeah. >> between benghazi and boston, we're going backward in national security. this administration is letting -- letting its guard down. and it is beginning to show. >> well, more aggressive and more partisan still is republican congressman tom cotton today. he went further. he compared the record of the last four years under president obama negatively to that of president george w. bush. interesting choice there. let's listen to his conclusion. >> in barely four years in office, five jihadists have reached their targets in the united states under barack obama. the boston marathon bomber, the underwear bomber, the times square bomber, the ft. hood shooter, and in my own state, the little rock recruiting office shooter. in
here's senator lindsey graham trying to, as usual, tying it to benghazi to make the point the administration is letting its guard down. he's always talking about benghazi. now he's tying it to boston with benghazi. this has become almost an m.o. with him. let's watch. >> something's not right here. i don't want to be judgmental, but i want to make sure that we're safe. >> yeah. >> between benghazi and boston, we're going backward in national security. this administration is...
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lindsey graham sweet twooetieet telling him to remain silent. that would be the last thing. somehow terrorism makes it fine, right? >> we don't really know if this is terrorism. we don't know if there's political motivations. >> we don't know. we have to establish the definition of terror. everybody was terrorized. the political definition is something else. secondly, john ralston said imagine if you're the person subjected to the recriminations you want to put forth. be very careful if something happens in your family and your kid does something and your kid is on the terror list and the no-fly list, that's a different kettle of fish. it's unfamiliar evil versus familiar evil. when you made the point about we've incubated in our own culture a homegrown terrorist, that strikes terror at the heart of america. guess what? hey, ask the minority people, we're familiar with homegrown domestic terrorists. those ain't muslim, they're christian and twisting the cross and doing things. we have to be very careful about assuming that immediately this was an act of terror, what motivate
lindsey graham sweet twooetieet telling him to remain silent. that would be the last thing. somehow terrorism makes it fine, right? >> we don't really know if this is terrorism. we don't know if there's political motivations. >> we don't know. we have to establish the definition of terror. everybody was terrorized. the political definition is something else. secondly, john ralston said imagine if you're the person subjected to the recriminations you want to put forth. be very...
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. >> already some calls specifically from senator lindsey graham, specifically from senator john mccain for the suspect to be treated as an enemy combatant. how is legal action at this point most likely to move forward? >> reporter: well, the obama administration would never go for that, partly as a policy matter. they have made it quite clear that civilian courts are up to the task and they think in many ways better than military tribunals which are untested. civilian courts have convicted lots of terrorism defendants. it will be a federal case. they'll charge him withes with use of a weapons of mass destruction. the maximum penalty is the death penalty. the government will have to decide whether to seek that or not. there's an additional wrinkle here. he is an american citizen. he was a naturalized citizen last year oddly on 9/11 of last year, and there is an open legal question about whether even if the government wanted to, it could declare an american citizen captured on u.s. soil as an enemy combatant. it's an untested question. the government tried to do it in the case of jose pa
. >> already some calls specifically from senator lindsey graham, specifically from senator john mccain for the suspect to be treated as an enemy combatant. how is legal action at this point most likely to move forward? >> reporter: well, the obama administration would never go for that, partly as a policy matter. they have made it quite clear that civilian courts are up to the task and they think in many ways better than military tribunals which are untested. civilian courts have...
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graham and jeff flake, they have done a great job. i think we have the outline of the proposal that can succeed. i think it's balanced. we have border security as a very important factor, but we also make it possible to have the border secured. it's not an insurmountable object but, most of all it takes them out of the shadows and gives them a chance to live in a free and open society and with a long and difficult path to citizenship but at least it brings them out of the shadows and make them able to become the kind of wonderful citizens that i know that the overwhelming majority of them will be. and i'm proud of the work we have done and it's been frankly for not the first time, the pleasure of working with chuck schumer who is a tough guy. >> he's from brooklyn. >> senator mccain you tried this in 2006 and 2007 and george w. bush was on your side and ted kennedy and that ended disastrously. what has made the difference in 2013? >> i think two things, joe. one, from the practical side. that is, obviously, the polarization of the his
graham and jeff flake, they have done a great job. i think we have the outline of the proposal that can succeed. i think it's balanced. we have border security as a very important factor, but we also make it possible to have the border secured. it's not an insurmountable object but, most of all it takes them out of the shadows and gives them a chance to live in a free and open society and with a long and difficult path to citizenship but at least it brings them out of the shadows and make them...